It strikes me that Unitarians seem to consistently define themselves in opposition to Trinitarians. Their theology is consistently compared to ours. The point is always that ours is wrong and theirs is right, but they can’t seem to manage to define themselves apart from us, perhaps they can, but I haven’t seen it. Trinitarians on the other hand don’t seem to have that problem. We define ourselves with reference to Scripture and without regard for competing theological systems. We don’t need to point out what’s wrong with Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, or Socinian theologies to show what’s right with Trinitarian theology. It would seem strange to have to constantly mention later aberrant theologies in our self-definition. If Unitarianism is the default, then why the constant mention of Trinitarianism? It seems that Trinitarianism is taken as the standard almost axiomatically and then it has to be argued against. This makes sense since all corruptions of the truth have to start with the truth.
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Nick: Well said! And that’s not just an abstract observation, as you know, but a very real, very obvious fact to anyone who has ever had an extended dialogue with a Unitarian. If a Unitarian group was to actually come together and codify some kind of creed, you can bet that “We deny the doctrine of the Holy Trinity” would make the cut. (I suppose Islam comes pretty close to this, actually)
Tom: Well, they have the Racovian Catechism, but a denial of the Trinity is included in it:
And it goes on and on…
Nick: I’m glad you stopped the citation where you did… sophistry makes my eyes bleed.
Tom: You’ll find that modern Socinians haven’t advanced their arguments against the early Socinians. You’ve heard everything that followed that quotation anyway.
Nick: That last line is so true, and especially with the Trinity of God. To corrupt something can be but just a wee bit of a change, and then its gone like a freight-train!
Hi Nick. I think a big reason that Unitarians refer to the Trinity is that it has become the dominant conception of the Godhead within Christianity. Also, I disagree with your claim that Trinitarians don’t define themselves by using other theological systems as a foil. They try to explain that God can be one, and yet be three persons. Here, they are responding to the view that one means one person. They are trying to show that one can be understood differently.
Fr. Robert: Yup.
James: That’s my point. Unitarians recognize Trinitarianism as the standard. They don’t like that it’s the standard but they can’t get away from it. And explaining that God is both one God and three persons isn’t using other theological systems as a foil; it’s explaining the Biblical data.
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